I might take Enrive down temporarily, for some months to a year if interest in it remains this low. Since 2016, there were enough lurkers that the server costs were paying for itself with ads. So even if posting was low or we had no activity, I lost nothing by keeping us online. But at this moment, there are very few people browsing the site compared to what it used to be during 2014-2017 and ads only pay for 1/3 of the costs. It has gotten expensive to continue keeping us up when we have almost no posters, and when I have become so busy with my other business that I don't think I'll be able to code Enrive for a while. While I'll miss this place, there is no justification to keep it online if people are not interested in it, and it would be a better strategy to take it offline and only bring it back online in the future when I have finished coding it, or have more spare time and money to invest in it. If you like Enrive and want to support it and would prefer to keep it online, then help make the site grow at least a little. Doubling our Online Users to an 80 average should be enough that at least it is not a monetary burden on me any longer. I know that at least one person seems to be banned from every forum out there and Enrive is his only outlet, but due to the costs I may not be able to keep us up just for 1 or 2 people posting. Not with the world in the current monetary crisis it is. If I take us offline I will do so in 2 to 3 months. Enough time to mature the idea and I don't think I want to expend more money than that when I have been doing so for a year now. And just to be clear, it's not about the money, it is about the money + little interest on the website. The money I can save for not hosting us for a year may be much better spend re-hosting us in the future when the site is fully developed and where I can also put the time to work further on it.
>Nothing of value was lost.
I understand your decision. I've tried to keep this site alive, but I returned to Enrive too late to save it. A few months will be plenty of time to back up threads. ...or die from the apocalypse. Are there any good alternatives to migrate to, then tell me. (...and don't tell me Gab. I'm banned for "being demonic" from that site. Every time I make a new account there, the owner even reports my email account for being spam accounts. They also ban porn, I guess due to christian values.) I was banned from FreeSpeechTube in a matter of a few hours, because they just want to appear like every pedo is a saint. Maybe I have to go back to 8chan, but it's just so full of edgelords. Other sites have hundreds of disgusting trackers implemented, that you pretty much have to agree to to post anything. ...so what's left here?
>>25926 I've put a lot of work into a concept that didn't exist and still does not exist on the rest of the internet, really sad to see it being this underappreciated and that people are ok with having the content that is available to the majority of the internet users being tightly controlled just like archaic TV news and newspaper outlets were. And it is sad to see novel ideas getting zero support, while seeing everyone flocking to whatever website someone with marketing power behind promoted it. Even 8chan only gained users because it was promoted by the mods of an already popular chan. So enrive will only have perceived value when someone with power and influence shills it hard and people start using it. Most people only want to be where other people already are. Reddit and 8chan only got popular due to this phenomenon and were dead for many many years, once others perceived that "everyone was using it" then it got popular. It is a common thing and how society works, and Enrive will only get traction if this happens to us as well. But still, having not even early adopters really recognize what we have done here is sad, and the reason why at this point I might as well close it for a while and save the money I'm spending on just 1 or 2 people who were banned from the rest of the internet making use of it, because it has gotten too expensive at this point, even though this website was created with the purpose of letting exactly those people have a voice whether it is heard by others or not. >>25927 >...so what's left here? Probably just us
I understand. I've been mostly lurking since 2015? but I stopped coming here for a while when you made the latest posts page have overly intrusive ads and I didn't want to turn adblock on, I checked in on this place today for some reason or another, I didn't stop coming here on purpose I just kind of stopped, I guess? But yeah, this place was pretty fun < 2018 it just looks like a virtual crack den now. Maybe it died a long time ago... Taking it down for a year or two might not be a bad thing however I'd like it if you posted updates on the @enrive_org twitter if you're about to bring it online again and maybe make a copy of all the posts and upload it to mega or something, I suppose I could archive each page but I'm too lazy to do it manually and too intellectually challenged to write a script to do it. The average 80 posters probably isn't going to happen lol so since the enrive arc of my life is coming to an end and this is probably the last time I'll talk to anyone on this site for a while I just want to say to everyone, outcasts, perverts, lurkers, turbospergs and gad who is probably all of the above :). You all gave me a fun time, I'm not sure I would have ended up the way I did without you guys, I might have even tried to kill myself like a retarded emo faggot, that would have been embarrassing lmao, anyways my point is you've all been a big part of my life and I love each and every one of you <3 (little bit of homo) I'm actually getting a bit choked up like a retard. Goodbye, I'll miss you chums :') Inb4 >le reedoot spaysang I did it on purpose just to piss you off you triple nigger :p
>>25928 Imagine being this retarded. Other chains are successful because they ban naked lil girls. Enrive is a failure because it allows it. It really is that simple Advertise Enrive anywhere, the first thing you will here about is this is a FBI honeypot full if naked lil girls.
>>25929 >Post text cannot exceed 2000 characters (2/2) Off topic as hell but while I'm getting nostalgic anyone mind posting those music video webms with all the dankies in them. (the loliquatsch and town called hypocrisy ones and any more if I'm forgetting them) I can't find them because I'm a dumbass.
>>25929 >Muke It's not too late to an hero chum.
Look on chummery https://enrive.org/chummery
>>25932 >Muke Jej, fuck no, i ain't no filthy heckin' commie :^) I made like 100 total posts on this site because I'm somehow more socially retarded on the internet than I am in real life but it still has a place in my heart. >>25933 Thanks I'll check there, I couldn't find them last time i looked.
>>25930 8ch had way more of that and it still became popular, so you are wrong. There were always threads on its /b/ board. I need to finish coding the site so board owners have more features and control over the layout/janitors of their boards, and I need marketing of any kind before it can be an active place. Otherwise everyone just comes here and says "nice site but it´s dead" and doesn't bother posting. Or I need what we had in 2014. People who were really excited about our idea here and made it very active for a while, and were trying to promote it and bring more people in. And It worked for a while until some posters didn't want to promote masterchan anymore and wanted a secret club, then they started complaining and derailing advertisement threads, and that seemed to have to affect the people promoting it and they dropped that, and in my opinion that is what lead us to the current state we have right now. I remember having a funny feeling regarding people complaining about advertising masterchan, and I remember some people voiced my own concerns as well and agreed with me in sentiment. Without the influx of new users, the old users didn't have anything left to make new threads about, and we naturally died out from that. Seems pretty clear to me that sekrit club posters killed the community in this site because people listened to them. Trying to keep ourselves a secret was a mistake, and I hope people will learn this lesson. If I do take us down, when I get us back up I'll make sure to not let the people who want to keep us hidden sway everyone on their opinions so easily anymore, and will repost what I am saying right now for everyone to hear. I already had a feeling that that would have killed our momentum in the past but said nothing about it, and it immediately did once people stopped advertising ourselves.
>>25930 >full of naked little girls We only get 2-5 pics a day, and I report the most obscene ones, so I don't get how you faggots are sperging like Enrive is pouring bleach into your eyes. Have you tried not looking directly at it? I mean we also get a few retarded nazi propaganda images a day, and I just ignore them. I don't take damage from it, so why are you screaming "I'm melting!"? Are you overreacting, or are you legit that autistic?
>>25936 Calm down sperg
It just may be me, but I'm getting this everytime I try to post an image... >Invalid file type. Acceptable files are JPG, PNG, GIF and WEBM.
>>25938 Can you post the image on another site and link to it so I may test myself? There may be something wrong with the information of that file, maybe it wasn't originally JPG/PNG/GIF and someone just changed the extension.
I uploaded it to imgur just fine Why won't it upload here? https://imgur.com/a/fPMwypN
>>25941 I just saved it from there. It changed it into a jpg. Let me upload it somewhere else. Heres the pic
>>25939 I uploaded it to julay.world https://julay.world/fascist/res/363.html#q6834
>>25942 >>25943 Whenever that picture is uploaded somewhere else that will display that picture, they change it into a new file that doesn't cause bugs in here anymore. I would need your original file, you could try uploading it to a file hosting site instead.
I'm retarded. Can you suggest a site? I saved the file from julay just now.. Testing I still can't upload it, after saving it from julay
>>25946 Your image is named as .png when it is in fact a .jpg and why you can't upload it here. Rename it to jpg and it will work
>>25948 At Enrive, if you upload a .png the server will check what the file type is, and if it is .jpg rather than just change it to .jpg it will flag it as invalid. Perhaps I shouldn't have coded it in such a strict manner and will make a note of it
>>25949 Learn 2 code pleb
It looks like julay.world gets around 100 pph sitewide. I made a post there inviting newchums Doubt it'll make a difference tho https://julay.world/meta/res/1986.html#q7188
Hey Gad, loosen up the posting requirements for Anon ID's Let's see if we can drum up some posters.
Guess yall dont have to worry about me advertising on 4kids I cant even get the site to fucking work
>>25951 >>25952 Thank you for trying to help out. I have divided by 10 the post/active day requirements for new accounts right now, and disabled the need to post on /newchums first. We'll see how the next few months will go.
>>25954 I think this was a good decision. Post quality will probably be worse, but that's less of a concern now.
>>25955 The real problem is that spammers abused making accounts to bypass captcha in the past. This is why leveling up an account has to be slower to dissuade them
>>25925 I put in a lot of work to make /nsa I'm not too happy the only free speech site on the web is being taken down. now there is no chan left for me to browse :/
>>25957 Well, if I do pull the plug I'd have to backup all our images, and our database files (which I already keep multiple copies of) prior, so I could bring them back in the future and not have anyone lose their work.
>>25935 Nice deflection nigger. 8ch cracked down on pedos in 2015 The site is dead, just pull the plug. You should've done it years ago.
>>25960 Not a deflection, during the height of 8chan's popularity it constantly had threads for them on /b/ and remained that way for a long time. To say that the reason Enrive didn't grow more popular is because we had 1/1000 of those users in here who posted 1/1000 of what was posted in 8chan is just dishonest thinking and what I am pointing out. Not even sure what you are going on about with your post honestly. >The site is dead, just pull the plug. You should've done it years ago. I am not taking it down permanently, if I do take it down it will be to save money during this year, because I'll be so busy I will not even be able to work on Enrive properly or if at all, and with no real community nor lurkers in here there is little justification to keep it up right now. 8chan was dead for years, I knew about it before it even had 1 post per hour and we were the 2nd best. Aren't you glad it wasn't pulled down for being dead, and instead it was given a chance to grow up so you could have your echo chamber you love so much outlander?
>Aren't you glad it wasn't pulled down for being dead, and instead it was given a chance to grow up so you could have your echo chamber you love so much outlander? At least 1-2 people here, just want to see Enrive close down forever, as soon as possible, because they simply passionately hate the site. They're not using the site as an echo chamber - they are just out to troll the user base to leave.
>>25960 stfu zambo
>>25960 >Outlander is right. >Outlander is always right. >Outlander is also a nigger
I've noticed that some banner is actually causing the whole page to load an ad instead on PC. Very annoying and misplaced behavior, that is also causing potential new users to not discover the site, as they may not even realize the tab they were about to browse became an ad. Not sure why this is happening. I've notice it happen occasionally in the past but it has gotten a lot more aggressive. I'll try to fix this tomorrow.
I have removed a banner type from board pages and recent threads, but not from the frontpage and old threads to test which ad unit has been triggering the loading of a full page ad. That really shouldn't be happening at all. Either a bug on my end or the ad provider
Well that didn't take long, arleady discovered which ad unit is causing that and will try to fix it.
It's all your fault for being a faggot and re branding, just call it masterchan again and it will take off.
>>25968 It was a great name when we were a PC gaming chan, but personally I feel both the chan and the master stopped making sense when we became something different and more unique. I feel the opposite way, can you imagine a website called "masterchan" ever growing into something large? It is a weird sounding name for an online forum where anyone can make their own boards in my opinion. Is there anyone, nostalgia aside, who thinks masterchan is a fiting name?
>>25958 Ok, this really had better not be a permanent thing. I respect very little other sites on the clearnet currently
>>25969 Master race reporting in. The answer is YES
Whether the reputation Masterchan got was good or bad, the reputation was huge. I don't understand why you changed the name. It's like moving to another house: Unless they know where you moved, nobody's going to know where you went. That somebody told me, was pure luck. At this point, do you think 8chan really wants to be called 8chan? Probably not, but they still stick by that name because they're stuck with it. I don't even know what Enrive means. I've always pronounced it Enrivé like it's Italian, but apparently it's "To rive; cleave." which makes no sense. Masterchan was better.
>>25972 >8chan It's 8kun now m8
>>25973 Yeah, after fucking terrorist-accusations and hosts shutting them down en masse.
>>25970 Not a permanent thing. I'm just speding a lot of money hiring people at the moment, and if not even 5 users are constantly making posts in here then it is money I can save for some months, and in the future I'd bring it back once I was ready to work on it again. >>25971 Masterchan can be our top hat wearing mascot >>25972 >but apparently it's "To rive; cleave." which makes no sense. Masterchan was better. Rive and cleave also mean to divide something, such as people, opinions, sentiments, anything, which is suiting for a free speech online forum where anybody can say what they want to counter something else
>>25972 >>25978 Here is an example: >Even in communities apparently riven by strife between ' godly ' and ' conservative ' groups it is far from clear that the parties in dispute held unswervingly to homogeneous religious positions. Cambridge English Corpus
63 Online Users
Dear Admin: All you'll get is more mental illness, call it masterchan and you'll get pedospam. I've lurked here since the beginning, and imageboards since 1995. I've owned many boards, porn by invitation only, warez boards and so on. The net has changed if you can't see that then there is no help for you. There was a time when we all helped one another and believed in imaginary concepts, like sharing and manners. But human consciousness has changed, and you want to continue to live in the past. Everyone has tried to revive the true imageboard brotherhood but to no avail. When I saw Lokinet for example and read that a board there can't be taken down, it's almost impossible, I started thinking. But I know the kind of mentality that would come to populate the place and decided not to waste my time. Whatever you decide to fill up your time with will be the right thing to do, and I wish you the best always and hope you are happy enough. WiZarD :^)
Just put (You)s on the site and the problems will be solved.
These last few days are seeing a certain kind of spam where an Outlander is reposting images already posted (either with cut off HTML tags, or with no text at all). Sometimes it's rapid enough to be obvious, but other times it's just an image here and there. When does it count as spam and when does it not?
111 online users what the fuck
>>25993 For me there's always about 96 users online. I'm thinking that there's about 95 constant bots browsing this site, so 111 users would be a lot. ...though "they" all seem to have left by now.
Gadmin, take a look at the last two spam pictures of this thread: https://enrive.org/doom/thread/405#814 They were added recently, days AFTER the thread was threadlocked. They were HACKED into that thread. Maybe some bugfix is in order.
>>25991 >aren't (you)s a privacy issue if you want to take a screenshot of a thread? >>25992 I've noticed. It has been going on for months actually, spidek up recently. Since this stuff seems to be automated spam and has been happening forever, please report anytime you see it. It´s usually a thumbnail version of a full image posted, along with HTML as you said or russian characters. >>25993 >>25994 >For me there's always about 96 users online. I hardly ever see more than 60 users recently. Wonder what is up. It may have to do with our ad provider partially fixing an issue where people that came to enrive would get automatically redirected to another URL without even clicking anything. That was preventing the site from growing or even losing past lurkers. They still have to fix it fully as it still happens and I will notify them again tomorrow. >>25995 Wasn't a hack, thread reply limit is bugged in the new code. I'll have to fix it.
>>25996 >aren't (you)s a privacy issue if you want to take a screenshot of a thread? Yeah, I don't think that was good advice at all, or even was intended as such. Usually you know what you've written yourself.
>>25995 This has been fixed. The reply limit was increased to 405, but due to lazy quick coding that I still haven't updated with the new code, the reply limit warning was not updated and was being shown at 300 posts.
>https://enrive.org/candy/thread/144019 >Naked Baby with privates being the focal point >Report dismissed Wtf?
>>26000 >Epic Trips
>>26001 I just image searched for "naked baby" and got endless of pages of naked babies, some of which had exposed sex organs. Babys are naked and have sex organs, without it being focused on. It's just a normal baby.
>>26002 >I'm pretending to be retarded to annoy people. No, you're actually being retarded. Sorry.
There is an issue with the ads right now, causing people who come here to be redirected to a different URL. Our ads provider is looking into it and banning the people who are doing that, as they are violating their terms of service. The issue was already fixed for linux users it seems, but not for Windows. Coincidentally, our user counter has spiked back to 80, and I'm guessing/hoping once it is fixed for windows as well we'll see even more users in here. It is possible that our recent low activity in lurkers was caused primarily by these ads that begun creeping in. Though if the increase in numbers is due to people advertising us, then thank you for helping out.
I am long time lurker on this place and I'm not interacting with other chums, however, there s something what is confusing me....this place is originally called masterchan, but, when i'm typing masterchen on ddg search engine, my results were ccCluster and enrive, however I don't see any difference and it's not matter if i'm gonna type enrive or ccCluster. Is there something different between two of those separate URLs?
>>26006 After masterchan, It was named ccluster for a while but the name didn't work out well and was replaced by enrive. But the old domain name is still active, so basically typing ccluster or enrive do the exact same thing getting you here
>>26005 You could settle which of the site is the REAL site, by instead making a landing page that says "CCluster (a.k.a. former Masterchan) is now called Enrive. Here's a link. Please update any bookmarks.". Mirror sites will just look suspicious, since those can be malicious.
>but the name didn't work out well and was replaced by enrive ...which DID work out well? (...because as I said before, whenever you rename a site, it's never going to work out well, so I have my suspicions that it didn't work out either.)
>Though if the increase in numbers is due to people advertising us, then thank you for helping out. I hope you like Markiplier fans. :P
>>26010 I like it. I'd prefer the shorter version of just rive, but it costs 100x more per year, so that wouldn't be a smart way to go. >>26011 who? Oh I've seen his face before, but I don't know anything about the guy. What do you mean, have you done anything?
>>26012 Markiplier and his sidekick Ethan, has been doing this "We're all gonna die one day." wannabe deathcult called Unus Annus ("One Year") on a side channel, and I've dropped one or two plugs for the /doom/ board in their comment section. They have millions of followers, which means that there's a tiny chance that my plugs will get noticed, but if they do, you might get a few thousand/million users checking out the site. ...or zero - completely unpredictable.
>>26013 It helps, thank you. The ads provider really needs to fix their end now, because everyone that comes here is being instantly redirect to a new site on the same tab. Unless they fix that any attempt to get new users won't be too effective, and I might temporarily disable their ads if they don't fix it within the next 2 days
>>26014 It seems to me that if users come here, wanting to be anonymous, only to get redirected to an FBI-Chinese led joint operation to de-anonymize and trace us, that it falls on you to "fix" the way that you implement ads on your site, because that shouldn't happen ever. Not now, not "maybe" in the future. Usually if you have a firewall, you'll get alerts like "This site is malicious and may be used by criminals to steal your data." and that's a surefire way to turn users away from the site, at best. At worst they'll be arrested. ...but sure, you wait another 48 hours to fix things. It's your site.
>>26014 ...and furthermore, if I plug your site on YouTube, and it is flagged as a malicious site because it redirects to even an ad site, than that's a sure way to get the word "Enrive" added to the YouTube censorship algorithm forever.
>>26014 ...and this has happened before, Gadmin. I remember a gaming site where hackers just boughts ads that redirected them to a trojan horse site, and lots of people got infected and firewalls blacklisted them, before they got around to removing those ads. Why allow an ad to redirect to another site that you don't control??????
The first time you mentioned that there was an ad immediately directing people to a secondary site, I just assumed that scene in La Femme Nikita where Seymour Birkhoff notices the packet losses and immediate rushes straight to the server room and starts pulling cables like a madman. It went without saying that that's what you did. ...but apparently you just let this ad run for weeks, and maybe you'll talk to them in two days from now, asking them to fix things on their end. ??? ???
>>26015 >It seems to me that if users come here, wanting to be anonymous, only to get redirected to an FBI-Chinese led joint operation to de-anonymize and trace us Actually, the way I implemented the ads on the site was to be compatible with privacy, since they are served from a different domain. Think like this, whenever you open an enrive URL, you also open an ad url in a different tab. That means the ad provider is not able to datamine you, he can't know your username, nor what specific page you are visiting. People who want to keep private even that they visit this site at all, should use a proxy because even your internet service provider can see you are visiting enrive.org, no matter what I do. HTTPS hides from them what comes after enrive.org/something, but not the domain name. So in short, the ads do not remove your privacy. If you want the ads service or your ISP to not even know that you come to enrive.org then use a proxy, I've made browsing and posting compatible with any proxy, even a banned one, something other chans lack. >than that's a sure way to get the word "Enrive" added to the YouTube censorship algorithm forever. We already are actually, type enrive and we don't even show up. Agree that these malware ads should not be showing up at all >Why allow an ad to redirect to another site that you don't control?????? It is not allowed. The people who are dong that are getting banned from the ads service, they aren't doing this fast enough though and I will contact them again today. >but apparently you just let this ad run for weeks It is the same ad that pops in a different tab if you interact with the site. The problem is that it is happening in the same tab and without any user interaction at all
>It is not allowed. The people who are dong that are getting banned from the ads service, they aren't doing this fast enough though and I will contact them again today. Thank you. At least I now know that THEY are the ones delaying things. >The problem is that it is happening in the same tab and without any user interaction at all ...and even if this particular ad wouldn't be ultramalicious, this shouldn't happen at all. Somehow you've coded Enrive wrong so that it allows this, and could allow a real attacker to launch an identical page to Enrive, and pretend to be Enrive, while logging all IPs, et cetera. Even if you got rid of this ad, you have to patch this site as well.
>>26025 This is essentially what this site was created for. "A place that isn't a drivethrough for strangers looking to spread personal information"
And it seems the ads provider has finally banned all the people doing insta-redirections. Good, with the user counter back at 80-90 and windows users once again being able to browse the site, the revenue may get close enough to server costs that I won't have to worry anymore whether to close us temporarily or not.
>>26029 >Secretly stealing user data shouldn't be the norm, and this site should certainly be better than that. I really disagree with you on this point. To call it secretly stealing user data is really blowing out of proportion. The only thing the ad service and people who pay for the ads can know is that your IP visited enrive.org and nothing more than that, and if that is something that concerns you you should/can use a proxy. Otherwise, you'd have to recommend me a different strategy that actually works. Users paying for an Enrive pass like 4chan? Not possible as that is really a privacy breaker, also, you already get to skip captcha for free in here anyway so there wouldn't even be a point. Patreon? Tried in the past, got banned. By having ads in the non intrusive format I managed to implement them allows us to have resources to grow or at least pay for our costs, it is a smart move. Reddit is a text only board, no bandwidth spent for images, and they don't make a profit - they rely on investors who keep it online, most likely due to their ability to control the narrative or controlling advertisement in there. The reality is that for us to grow I need to have some financial plan, otherwise it can only grow as far as I can the means to put my on money into it. >Yaay! I get to keep my gigantic personal-blog. :P lol